Episode 85: Office Drama, Daddy Spoons, In-Laws World, and Salty Toothpaste ft. HoneyJam (iyagi)

This week Jun and Daniel host their first guest interview with Korean American couple Janice and David Jung from the HoneyJam podcast. Listen in as they discuss navigating Korean American identity, their extended stay in Korea for IVF treatment, and David's innovative venture dehydrating Korean food for camping. From exploring the evolution of jeong in modern Korean society to comparing food culture and social norms across countries, the conversation weaves through various aspects of the Korean-American experience and what it means to exist between two cultures.

If you're interested in learning about Korean workplace dynamics from a Korean American perspective, understanding the cultural expectations when living with Korean in-laws, or hearing about the challenges and joys of spending an extended period in Korea as Korean Americans, tune in to hear Daniel, Jun, Janice and David discuss all this and more! This episode also touches on topics like the hierarchy of spoons in Korean households, the differences in customer service culture, and David's upcoming venture to bring dehydrated Korean food to the camping market.

Guest Bios

Janice Jeong co-hosts a podcast with her best friend called the Honey Jam Podcast. Give their podcast a listen as the two share funny and relatable stories about their lives and also hold discussions about their latest Korean drama/food/music obsession. Janice also creates content about her life, whether that be her fun and silly moments or her IVF journey.

IG: @honeyjampod @haitsjanice

TikTok: @haitsjanice 

David is a Korean American content creator focused on food in the outdoors. He makes and preserves his own korean backpacking meals for his trips and regularly joins Janice on her podcast HoneyJam.

@davidsjeong on all platforms

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Hey everyone, this is Daniel, and I'm Jun, and we are Korean American. Hello, hello, hello everyone. good. June. Yeah? You're outnumbered today. I know. I brought some American friends, not friends, but now. Now friends. We are friends. We are friends. Yeah. Americans become friends quickly. That's true. For sure. Different than Koreans. Yes, yes. Technically the Korean, American, American, American podcast. Yes. Before we get into it, Jun, do you actually consider me a friend yet? Why do you even ask? Koreans are so close, closed off with their social circles. Really? Yeah. Yeah, of course we're friends. Because we never hang out with other, like, we don't have mutuals, right, between us. We do, we do, the poker game. Okay, alright, alright. Yeah, we sometimes play poker, yeah. Do you consider them friends? Acquaintances. Oh, interesting. Daniel's special. Validated. Wait, but haven't you guys, you guys been friends for like 20 years? No, no, no, no. It's like two, three. Oh, okay. Wait, what? Yeah. I will get into it. Okay. Okay. But yeah, for our audience, we have two guests today. So in line with our one of our 2025 goals for the podcast, having more guests. So you guys stop hearing the same takes from June and I also, so we have to just come up with less things to talk about. But yeah, this is the first time we were actually inviting guests that we didn't know beforehand. Neither June or I. Do our guest today, but yeah, I'll get into the story of how we even got connected with you later But before you do why don't you guys give us a bit of a way of an intro? You know, highlighting maybe your cultural resume, we call it like, what are the cultural influences that have made you who you are today? I love that cultural resume. My name is Janice Jung, and I know I said American in the intro, but I feel like I resonate with both Korean and American. I was born in Korea and I moved to America And I was able to kind of like maintain like my Korean because I spoke a lot of Korean to my parents. They still don't know a lot of English. They're not fluent in English, even though we've lived there for You know, 30 or 27 years now. And so yeah, mainly use Korean with them. And then I also loved Korean entertainment and media. And so like naturally I kind of gravitated towards friends who liked that stuff too. And so we, to this day, like we're always speaking Korean and English Konglish. Mixing it up and so yeah, but then I've always had kind of like an identity crisis because I feel like when I'm with like, you know, my super American friends, like even David, he's like very, he's much more American than I am. He'll say I'm super Korean and then I'll hang out with, you know, my Korean cousins here in Korea and they're saying, Oh, you know, you're Kyopo, you're, you're American. And then there's also the thing where people say I have a Korean accent when I speak English and then I have an English back English accent when I speak. Korean and so I'm like, where do I belong? You know, so Korean American, I'm like half So that's my cultural resume. But you know, other than that, I'm really excited to be here on the Korean American podcast It's a pleasure to have you Yeah, it's it's my first time being a guest on a podcast and actually like Daniel mentioned I never met Daniel and June before so Actually to be honest, I was really nervous Very nervous at first. Well, actually no when they first reached out. I was like, okay, let's do it You know cuz I was like in a kind of like a high of like wanting to make content and like collab and stuff like that This was gonna be my first collaboration. So I was like, okay. Yes, let's do it. Let's do it without thinking I was just like I don't even know where Pangyo is. I'm going And then the more I thought about it like at night, I was just falling asleep and recently I've been watching a lot of true crime I love true crime. It's like so scary, but like I don't know something but it's so fascinating to me. I can't stop watching. Are they Korean or American? So more American, but then once we got to Korea, we started watching because you know in Netflix There's so many more movies than America. The Netflix would you call it, catalog is way better. And so we started watching a lot of Korean true crime. True crime stories, like what? So we watched, I recently re watched what's it called? Memories of a murder. You've never seen it. It's such a good movie. You have to watch it. Oh, movie. I can do movies. Yeah, it's a movie. It's Bong Joon ho movie. You know, the Parasite director. You don't know Parasite? What? Wait, say the name again? Bong Joon ho. Well, it's the Parasite director. Okay, he's famous. Yeah, the famous Parasite director. Everyone was like, what? You watch Parasite? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The director of that movie. Korean names, I just don't know. No, yeah, for sure, for sure. He's like very famous, but that movie is so good. That's my favorite movie. My favorite out of his all of his movies. Yeah, it's so good. Wait, which one was that? That's the one we watched Actually, so yes, the discord members It's a good one, it's a great one and that's based off of true, you know story and then after that we watched Which is another like yeah kind of serial killer movie. Oh my god. So anyways, I watched those movies These are like classic films classic. Yeah Based on true. Yeah, both based on true serial killers Yeah, and so I watched those movies recently and then as I was falling asleep, I was like, wait a second It's two guys that invited me on a podcast. I have no idea who they are. We're meeting at June's apartment Exactly. We're meeting at this person's apartment I think it hit me when like you sent me the instructions to get to the apartment and It was so like the instructions were so like like it's formally typed out Victims Oh, I was like, oh i'm a little Scared and so I immediately messaged Daniel the next morning, which was yesterday. I didn't want to be like too you know, I didn't want to like ruin any plans for you guys So I tried to say ASAP like in the morning first thing in the morning and I was like, hey Daniel I don't know exactly what I said, but I was like you know, I just feel a little nervous I don't think you know, I don't think I can make it No, I knew it because You gave like kind of a weird excuse. I was like, oh, is she like trying to you know, whatever Yeah, or is she actually concerned? Huh. And so anyway glad it ended up working. Yeah, and so I brought my husband The backup bodyguard But meeting meeting daniel and june like they're great and like we're having a great time so far even over lunch We had some good conversations. So i'm really glad that we came. So thank you for inviting us. for coming Yeah My turn? Mhm. Yeah. My name is David Jung. I grew up American. When people would ask me or call me Korean American, I would say, No, I'm American Korean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. think it started with the food actually, because I grew up in a big family, family of six. And so when my mom would cook, she had to make huge batches that we ate throughout the week. Usually, you know, stews, kimchi jjigae, stuff like that. And I just hated eating the same thing every day. So I think it started with the food. I didn't like the food because of that. Korean food? Yeah, Korean food. So I was just kind of anti Korean culture and stuff. Yeah. So, I grew up, my parents spoke to me in Korean, I responded in English. Wow. That's how it was. I still do, yeah. That's how it was for all of us. So, I would say, I was like that until I started dating her, cause she's Korean Korean. See, he says I'm Korean Korean. Yeah, I think she's very Korean. Korean, Korean American. It's like, when I hang out with her friends, they're all speaking mixed. Conglish my friends. It's 100 percent English. Nobody uses any Korean phrases. That's how I grew up. Yeah Yeah, but I think my theory is like men. I feel like the language Part of their brain is a little bit weaker. Hold up Whoa, I think like all of him and all these guy friends. That's what they only speak English. Oh, I believe that too Yeah, you think women are better at language? Like, I don't know if this is a fact, but I heard that babies, like, girl babies, they tend to speak earlier than the boy babies. That I agree with. But the language. Does that have to do with language? They have like a language thing. She is better than me with picking up language. Interesting. Yeah, I'm better than you at Spanish though. Same with, wait, same with satoori. Because I came from Tegu Uhhuh and like if I see my Tegu friends, like all the, all my female friends, they like switch to soul accent. Whereas like the guys, they, they don't, they struggle. Interesting. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. That's my argument. Yes. So yeah, maybe it's that, but like some things also, you know, miyukguk on the birthday. I used to hate that. Oh yeah. I would always ask for something else. New Year's, I would bring my own sandwich because I really hated it. That is pretty extreme. Yeah, I hated it. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah, that's my cultural resume. I was way more American and like Mexican than Korean. It was only in the past five years or so where I really started to embrace my Korean side. Now I love all the stews, all the traditions and stuff, but It took me a long time. Growing up, I think most Koreans were more like Korean and black, somewhere in between. I guess you grew up in SoCal, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. More Mexican influence. Oh, I was gonna ask, like, why Mexican? Yeah, yeah. Because it's SoCal. Yeah, he loves Mexican food. Yeah, the food. I love the food. But also, David had kind of like a angry childhood. So he always tried to, you know, go against You know, the family, or you know, if they're, everyone's eating tteokguk, you could just eat tteokguk. But like, the fact that you brought your own sandwich is so your style. And then out of everything, a sandwich is like the most American thing. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Have you guys heard of sibling theory? No, what's that? I mean, middle children typically are a little bit more like black sheep. They do their own thing typically out of neglect. So yeah, I can say that as a parent. But Jess, I want to read the actual message you said with a new eye. Now that I know the context, I just want to make it clear. I was there while she was sending that message. Shaking my head that she was trying to flake. I just want to say. Hey Daniel, I'm so sorry, but I thought about it more. But I feel like I'm not ready yet to go on the podcast. Ha ha ha ha ha. Which I now know is a nervous laughter. Not like the casual, friendly laughter. It's like, oh, you guys are going to kill me. I was listening to your guys episodes, and it's so much more polished and professional than our vibe. So I feel really nervous. Not nervous about the vibe, nervous for her life. I think it would be better if either my husband or co host could join, but my husband is unavailable in the morning for golf lessons. I'm so sorry, I hope you didn't prepare too much yet. Anyway, after I received that, I was like, we just got Gen Z ed. We got, we got straight up like ghosted at the last minute. Yeah, I will say LA people are much more friendly. Like flaky. Yeah. So it's a common thing, but I was scared for my life, but I'm glad that we changed. It's so funny. Yeah. So the story of how we even got connected one of my good friends from the Bay Area, she's like a super fan and consumer of any like Asian content. So I don't know, we might cut out the name, I'll ask, but Jan is, you know, one of our good friends, listeners for our pod, and she also follows you guys. I don't think you, did you guys talk about your podcast yet? No, not yet. Okay, we'll get to it. Yeah. But she was like, Hey, like the Honey Jam guys are, you know, the couple is in Korea. Like you guys got to do a collab, like it'll be so fun. Wow. And so I think she independently messaged both of us. She gave you our email. Yeah, I was waiting for your email. Yeah never came. I was a little shy about us thinking about okay Okay, okay, but I decided to just reach out because again, we've been trying to have more guests on. Yeah. Yeah, that's the origin story Thank you, Jan for shout out Jan Jan and Jan Jan. Oh, yeah also funny with names My sister's name is literally Janice. Huh. My brother's name is literally David Why it's such a common thing, yeah, you know, what's the best one though? Wait, wait, wait His sister's also name is Janice. Oh, no way. His sister. But then, what's even better is Wait, what? You can see it. You just ruined my story. Okay, sorry. Alright, share later. No, no, no, I'll share, I'll share. But basically Well, there's a lot of janice and davids that we know i have like a cousin whose cousin Whose cousin and husband are also janice and david, but the best one is her ex Her ex's parents names are janice and david Well, if you guys ever have kids just name him daniel We'll be good but yeah, okay. Well prior to meeting you guys today, actually Yeah, I actually stumbled upon David's Instagram account, where he does like, we're going to talk about this later, but he does like these like super interesting Can I call it food experiments? Yeah, he like dries Korean like kimchi jjigae is like freeze dried and then like he he puts it into like these little containers so that you can eat it in like mountains and like As like, well, what are the camping meals? I would call. Yeah, MRE you said? Mm hmm. I thought this was like so interesting and the way that you do it So I knew them, knew you guys before prior to You Our meeting today and then I like went into a rabbit hole a little bit. I saw you, Janice, and I learned that you do a podcast and I don't know if you remember, but I sent you your podcast URL. I was like, Oh, these guys are doing like similar things as we do. And then. Yeah, now we're here today I don't doubt that you sent it to me. Yeah, but if you know me, I don't care I think a part of me doesn't want to consume other Content because I don't ever want to like repeat or be influenced. I just want to be authentic. Yeah Okay, whatever. It's like yeah, I really if you did send it to me, I didn't click through or look at it It worked out. Yeah, we you're here. And so yeah just a sidebar a little bit. It's funny that you got his content because like you're in Korea, right? Yeah, and his audience is mainly what is it? Well, it was Korea. Seoul was number one for a while, actually. Like, percentage of followers. I think because my first, like, viral video or whatever was my kimchi jjigae. Oh, yeah. That's the one that I That's the video, actually. It's funny because it a few other, like, handles reached out and asked David if they can repost the same video on their handle, and one of the handles that asked is it's a big handle in Korea, it's called Daily Fashion News, Daepanyu. And it's basically just a handle for mainly like, entertainment, like celebrities, and fashion. But then, it's so random that they asked him, yeah, for food, like dehydrated content, but basically it blew up on their channel, on their handle, it got like, close to like, Got more views than on my page. Yeah, so I feel like because of that page, it got kind of like shared out to people who live in Korea. Oh, I see. Maybe that's it, because we always talk about my Instagram feed, Explore. There's no Korean content. It's like basketball, like all these American things. So maybe that's why. Maybe. Yeah. So yeah, you guys, or Janice, you have a pod with another co host. And yeah, why don't you just tell us about it, the origin story. Yeah I have a podcast with my best friend. It's called the Honey Jam Podcast. I love the name. People are like, some people don't know what it means. I absolutely don't know. No worries. No worries. Is this, is this a Korean reference? It is, yes. So it literally translates jam? Yeah, it literally translates to uh, go Jam. Okay. Go jam is basically, it means like, it's like super entertaining and fun. Yeah. Like Go Gem and like em is like not fun. Oh, that I know em, I know Do Jem. Yeah. You know, no Jem. So the opposite of Noem is Goem that in the, okay. And so we thought, like, we thought really hard about the name and, I don't know, just Honey Jam kind of came up because I, we always say Mja and then, yeah. Like the English translation. It's kind of cute too. Yeah. Yeah. It never registered to me before I saw your title. Oh, jam is actually jam. Um, And like my friend and I we ever since like college like we met in college and became best friends Since then we've always had I mean just like everyone out there who wants to start a podcast, you know They're like our conversations are so fun. We should start a podcast. You know, everybody says that yeah, and so Like, you know, we talked about it for so many years and finally, you know, I decided to do it last year And we could talk about a little bit later too but basically we were we're David and I kind of like I have been going through this long fertility journey and for a while, like I felt like my life was kind of like on pause and you know, I have a nine to five, but then after like my job was really chill. And so, you know, after work, it's just like watching Netflix going on YouTube. It's the same thing every single day. And I just kind of got bored and it was to the point where I realized like when David was really busy at work, like he'd be working until like 10 o'clock sometimes. I'm just like waiting for him to finish work. And I would just be, you know, sitting alone and I would get so bored and sad almost. Like, hey, how come like you don't care for me? I would say, ask him these kind of questions. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that. So really David was more like You got to get something. She sat me down and she started crying and she was like, do you love me? So then I said, okay, well you either need to find a new job or you need to find a hobby, right? We have this thing because I've been wanting her to find a new job for a while because they don't promote and whatever but immediately the tears just went in and she was like, oh, never mind. I'm good. I'm gonna find something. Because the moment he says find a new job, I'm like, I do not want to find a new job. Like I'm very comfortable with my job. And so I was like, okay, you're right. I should find a hobby because I'm just sick, you know, like watching movies and stuff. It gets old. And so that's when I was like, okay, we're fine. Finally gonna pursue this podcast. She's been wanting to do a podcast for many many years Yes, even before college, maybe maybe she would do voice notes on her phone and do fun things with her friends She never actually yeah, I would interview people on my iPhone just like as voice notes for fun And so I think we finally just decide to do it It's hard. It's a lot of work as you guys know You especially if you already have a job but it's, it's still a lot of fun. I was telling them that like, you know, I love making the reels because if, if they do well, I just get so like motivated and boosted by like the, you know, the numbers that go up. And so that's, that's how I've been living these days. Just living off the high. What do you talk about? Oh yes, on our podcast, it's just me and Jessica, my best friend co host. We just talk about like our lives, like if anyone cares. And then we talk about like a lot of Korean show, like recaps. Like, so we were obsessed with, which is Lovely Runner, which you guys talked about. Yeah. Favorite dramas of all time. Yeah I love I love the main actor Because of the actors Quality of the show. No, the quality of the show is amazing their chemistry. Anyways, chemi. Yeah chemi first 12 episodes were amazing Yeah, I fell off. You liked it. I really liked it. Oh, I see. I love it Anyway, I have a lot of thoughts on it. Yeah No, i'm glad you loved it because this guy refuses to watch it. You have to tell her about the the story. Oh, yeah later Yeah, yeah You know, there was a live the cast of, they went, they had a live showing in Seoul. No, I didn't go. No. Oh my gosh. I was like, I wanna go, but I can't tell my wife. I want to go So I was like, you're gonna leave me alone with the kids to watch what together. Yeah. But anyway, it was almost a possibility to get tickets anyway. Yeah. But you know, I don't think they expected it to be popular, but towards the end it was super popular. Right, right. I think after episode 15 and 16 released, they had a live viewing and q and a after with the cast. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I was like. I have to go, but I can't. I have to go. Anyway, I didn't even try. But I couldn't have gone even if I wanted to. And you told me that they particularly had More appeal for the American international audience. Cause I don't think it was so much of hype in Korea though. As it was in Malaysia. It was so hyped I think. I read the Kdrama subreddit a lot. It was like so popular. Everyone was like this is awesome. It's been a while since I was this invested. Blah blah blah. Anyway, I won't share my opinion. You sure you're not Korean? So I only watched the first episode just because we had to review it. Because Daniel was keep on saying, we have to do this. Because it's like blowing up on the international Reddit or whatever. So popular. I just watched the first episode. To begin with, I don't watch a lot of K dramas. But then this one in particular. Do you know the, do you know what Hang Maryeok means? No. So it's like a gaming term in Korea. Like, is like your defense. Like for like, Like magic, magic defense power. It's like there's like so much cringe that you can't like just take it. You say like, That's so funny. Like you need that shield. Yeah. That's so funny. But it was just too stereotypical. It was just too cringe. Yeah. But that's the thing. I always tell my friends, right? Like, because I, I, I've tried to convince so many people to watch this show. And I'm sorry that this conversation is steering again to lovely runner, because that's literally all we talk about on Honey Jam. But I always say like you have to get to like episode three at least. Yeah. Yeah. If you watch the first episode, you're like, oh my god, this is trash. Unbelievable. Yeah, like this is so childish. I hate this drama and then you get to episode three. You're like, oh, I get the PO. But anyways, do you watch it? No, I had the same experience as you. Okay. Yeah, I tried. I sat him down. I forced him to watch it. He's like, i'm not, I can't watch this anymore. Yeah, dude. Actually. Okay. I remember talking about this when we Did the recording on it? Yeah. The reason why I liked that in a bit, a bit, is for me, it was like the palette refresher. Because I think K dramas for the past few years, they know the tropes, they know the stereotypes. So they've been trying to like steer clear of it and not fall into like the blah blah blah, whatever you called it, right? Right. But this one is so refreshing, like, no, we're unabashed. Yeah, about how like stereotypically stupid or unbelievable we're gonna be. Yeah, and for me, I was like, okay They're at least they're honest about it. Yeah, they're not like shying away or trying to like you love the honesty I love the authenticity of like this is what we are like, we're a complete fantasy Yeah, like okay, and this is my main gripe over it and the male lead that you so love He's unbelievable. He's just a one dimensional If you were a female you would be like, She's just there for the like main character to like progress his plot or whatever. The female version is called a Mary Sue Oh, I forgot the Mary there's like a equivalent version of that But it's it's a male character who literally has no character on its own. He's just here for the female lead. I see He's so Anyway, that's why I don't like it that much. But that's why I think the women like him so much. Because it's like, he only has eyes for her. There's no like, try, you know, love, love triangle or whatever. It's just, he loves this woman and he's gonna, he's pursuing her. He has a hundred percent, this like, fantasy unicorn of a man. For sure. That, they don't even shy away. Like, there's no even hesitation. Hints of a flaw. He's like that perfect. I guess that's why women might like it. But for me, I'm like, come on This is so like dumb. It's like teenage girl fantasy, but you watch the whole thing. I hate watch the last three episodes Last one was okay. I did finish. Yeah, I was too invested at that point. I'm proud of you I don't know any a single man who who watched the whole thing. So my my thing is like if it's Around episode eight or nine. Mm-hmm . I gotta watch like I'm only halfway there. Mm-hmm . I'll quit. I'll drop it. Oh. But if I get past like 12, like I'll just hate watch. You have to finish it. The rest of it. Why not? Yeah. I love that. Hate watch. . I like the, I like the female lead though. Oh yeah. She's good. I recognize her from Sky Castle. Yeah, she's good. Which I started. Her acting is amazing. Yeah, she's really good. Yeah. But anyways, we talk a lot about Korean dramas on the, on our Honey Jam podcast. But we also talk about like different shows, whatever, whatever like is interesting to us, I think like whatever. Cause like when I get into something, I get really passionate about it and I could just like go on and on about it. For example, like I was really into the show called Produce 101, which is like basically they cast like a hundred people. Boys, and they're trying to make a band, like an idol group. I was really obsessed with this one guy named Kang Daniel, and he became like a star. But there was a time when I was really obsessed with that. So I did like recap videos on that. So things like whatever Like interest me. I think I just bring it up on Honey Jam. Try to keep everyone entertained. You watch Produce 101, then I think you're Korean Korean. That's what I'm saying. We can drop the American. I can't even imagine Korean Americans watching that show. You'd be surprised. A lot of people watched it. Do you have a TVing subscription? Yeah, my friends. Not TVing. How do you watch it? Just like on illegal sites. Pirate sites? Yeah, good old pirate sites. So your parents have some, but they didn't have like, like we have in America, we have, you know TV or what's it called? Yeah. TV bio or like something, but like that's a little bit more official, but like these show programs aren't on those sites because it's so niche. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, Honey Jam podcast, check it out, but you know. Yeah, we'll plug it in the show notes. so much. I think if you tell us what your most popular Reels is, maybe we'll re share it from ours too. Okay, okay, yeah. Break into the Korean audience. Yes, But yeah, just to wrap up by way of intros, we always ask our guests to place themselves on the Korean American spectrum. One being very Korean. Did we say again? I don't know, like your typical Korean najee, Uhhuh, typical classic Korean najee. 10 being very, very American. Yeah. Donald Trump, that type . So like where are you on that spectrum? I'm probably an eight and a half. Ah, more 8.5 American American. Yeah. Way more is Daniel Al time I. No, I'm for a guest. Oh, for a guest. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, I think you might be the most self identifying. Oh, yeah I feel like were you one of those koreans that like would be like, oh koreans suck Because you know how there's always that like one korean dude who thinks like he's like a better He already was. He brought, he brought a sandwich to New Years instead of . Like, come on. But now you're proud to be Korean. Yeah. I didn't know back then. I was young . Yes. When you were young. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay. Even today though, would you put yourself at 8.5? I guess maybe it's 7.5 now, but I'm still like way more American. Yeah. If I'm a 7.5, I think you're more American. I put you at eight. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Wait, you think you are more American than Daniel? I don't know, he lives here, so. Oh, that's true. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But even the way Even the way you say like, whatever, like, it's like a white person. But I will say he's been more proactive about like, you know, getting in touch with his roots. Like he downloaded an app to learn more Korean. Like it's like a flashcard app where it helps you kind of memorize better. And so I'm very proud of him. I would place myself like, A little, like, start in the middle, but then move a little bit towards the Korean. So starting at 5. Yeah. Oh, is it 5? 10 divided by 2 is 5. I didn't know it was a number. This is one thing she's very not Korean in. Cause Koreans are good at math. I didn't hear the number. I thought it was a numerics guy. You know, Trump to Korean. Okay, let's try that again. Okay, let's start at 5. You didn't know it was numeric, even though I gave a number. You said And then, Daniel gave his number, and then, another number. Sorry. Our joke is I'm really weak with simple math. Okay. It's not a joke. It's not a joke. It's not math. It's simple. It's a problem. Actually, one of Janice's most recent reels, we could ask them live. So in what's it called? Singles Inferno. Do you guys watch it? I know what that is. So there's a part where this, this artist is describing, yeah, the artist is describing the size of his canvases and say, Oh, it's about seven meters. And the girl, she's sitting across them on a table. And she's like, Oh, so like about this. Okay. That was, that was my reaction too. So then we paused it. And then we were watching with my friend Jay and we were like, okay, Janice, You know, we live in America, so let's do yards. How many feet are in a yard? Yeah. What did you say? And I said, twelve? Oh my god. But do you guys know? I'm curious. Of course, what? Yeah. Twelve inches to a foot, three feet in a yard. Yeah, it's three feet in a yard. Oh, I did not know that. Thirty nine point whatever inches to a meter. I mean, I understand. You're understandable. You get a pass. You get a pass. She, born and raised, or not born, but raised in America. Basically born. Yeah. Yeah. So we went down the line calling all her friends. Most of them didn't know actually. That's what I said. You know what it is? It's football. Yeah, you took my line. I think the only time you use yards in day to day life is football. Yes. Girl, woman don't care about. Whoa, but one of her friends is a huge football fan. And didn't know. She got it wrong. Well, actually, she guessed it. Yeah, she guessed it, but she wasn't sure. How's three feet called a yard though? That's exactly just how it's defined. Yardstick. Doesn't make sense. Is that how? It is random. I admit it's random. It's still random. It's terrible. That's not how yards are like, right? Like literally. Oh, like your backyard. Yeah. No, it's just you just a yard is three feet. That's so random. Yeah. That's why I thought 12 feet kind of like me, you know? Yeah. That's maybe your yard. Yeah. That's why I said 12. A lot of my friends said 12, actually. Yeah. Oh, we did. And then we got twelves and 30 sixes. Oh my God. One of her friends said couple hundred But it's because my theory is because of football, American football, that I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. And like all the men are like, what? And we're like, no, we didn't know. Interesting. So I made a reel about that. I'll show you guys later. Oh, there is an incident where Korean people use yards. When? Golf. Yeah. US distances. Yeah. They say yard. Yeah, yard. I think they are, you know, maybe Americans needed a rough equivalent of a meter. So we just put it together. It's not even perfectly, but it's like roughly, I see, you know, 36 inches. So, I'm serious because you guys laughed really hard about this. But that's how the conversation started because I was like, oh, why is that? I don't know what a meter is. And then his friend Jay was like, what? Okay, fine. You get a pass. But you do know how many feet are in the yard. Uhhuh. That's how the conversation goes.. I was like, no, I don't. Do you watch RO too? Oh, I don't. I really wanna find a Korean American. That's, yeah. It's, you do. I watched a few episodes. Yeah. My friends are, some of my friends are obsessed with it. Yeah. My parents are obsessed. Yes. It's like, it's such a It's a social experiment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's so many episodes too. So it's just always ongoing. I come downstairs, my parents are always watching it. The beef about like things like Singles Inferno for me is that it feels very staged. Yeah. Even the people who are on there, there's like semi celebrities, influencers or whatnot. I can already know that it's not to find love or whatever. It's for clout. Yeah, they came to promote themselves. Make them do something. is like, it's like very normal people. Yeah, yeah. Social experiment. The only reason we can't review Nanunsollo is because it doesn't have subtitles. Oh! On Netflix it doesn't? It does. I feel you. Dude, I feel like that would be so popular though. Getting like an American take on it. Yeah. One of my goals this year is to actually get better at Korean. Let's go. Wait, Janice, you still haven't told your number. It's because she's not good with numbers, okay? You don't have to give a number. I would say I'm a Wait, which one's Korean? One, yeah. Okay, okay. I would say I'm a four. Oh, you're a four. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Four. Don't you think so? You think I'm a three? No, no, no. Yeah. We'll see. For your reference, I identify myself as, what, two? 2. 5. 2. 5, okay. Hmm, interesting. You are. 7. 5. 7. 5. Yeah. One thing is so like so when I worked at like I used to work at Disney ABC and They're all white right and like I when it's so weird when I'm with like white people I tend I feel like it's weird. I've become more Korean and I feel like a like Korean fob, like when I'm in a room of white people and like it's almost like my Korean accent comes out more when I talk. I just feel I think there's like that inferiority complex a little bit So it changes depending on who I'm with. There's a scientific term for that. Oh, it's called stereotype threat. Huh So very established principle if there's ever a situation where you feel like you will be stereotyped against. Huh that stereotype is reinforced in your mind and you actually are more likely to fall into that stereotype. Oh, wow. It's a very established cognitive bias, yeah. Oh my god, that's amazing. That's so interesting. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I think I might have talked about it on the pod before, but the very famous study I think was, Stanford they tested a bunch of a group of boys and a group of girls and in the control They just had them do the math test and they scored exactly the same like you'd imagine Yeah, and then for the experiment they had they told the girls. Oh, here's a math test But we know boys typically do better at it. That's all they said. And again, sure enough, the scores came out. The girls did worse. Wow! It's like a confidence that they instilled in them. You don't have to psych major. Oh, and you didn't know about stereotype threat? Daniel's very into these like cognitive biases. Yeah, like in general I think one of my life goals is to like be aware of my own biases and try to help others, you know It's kind of in line with our podcast too. That's so cool. Very into like psychological things. He's like, like semi Enneagram. Oh Enneagram. Oh yeah. Everyone at church is super into that. I'm super into it. What are your guys Enneagrams? I keep forgetting mine. I think, we think you're a three. Yeah. Wing two. Uh, Four wing three. Oh, okay. You know what that means? No. Nine. I just have to ask. I keep forgetting what they are. Exactly. I always ask, but I don't know what they are. Three. Three is the achievement one, right? Oh yeah. Okay. I got that. Nice. Yeah. Aren't you a six? I don't know what I am. People guess, but. Do you guys know what your MBTI's are? I don't. I'm very easy to guess. Yeah. N F P Oh Yeah Oh yeah P that's right But you know that's actually a typical Korean MBTI Korean girl MBTI Oh really? No? Cause you said the most common I thought the most common one was I S T J For girls? No, for the entire population Oh It's the complete opposite Oh it is? I heard ENFP I don't know I was getting my eyelashes done last week and then My, the lady was also ENFP and we were chatting the entire hour and a half. It was a lot of fun. And we have a fan of the pod who insists I'm an ENFP, but I'm an INFP. Oh, you're an I? Yeah, no, the idea of chatting for an hour straight with that person doing your eyelashes is like, I would stop halfway through. But you guys have a podcast like for two hour episodes. You know, anyway, we're I don't want to get into the i. e stuff. Yeah, but one on one I love it's just any sort of group environment I just like I just I'm, I'm like a wallflower. I shy back. Oh, I see. Have I told you about the, like the social stigma towards I Yes. You and the entire Korean Jewish media have told me, you know, this word called ship pee uh, ship. You know, like, that's like, you know that, that's the, that's a bad word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like they put that word in front of INFP because they know that they're like, like. Drama Queens, . Oh, I have peace. Oh, I didn't know that. I, they, they literally in Korea have job postings Uhhuh, where it's like, if you're an INFP, do not apply Like, you're not, we don't want you here. Oh, wow. So I feel very targeted by that, but I can agree with that. I mean, I, NFPS in Korea I think would just die. Yeah. Oh, and like your typical Korean corporate working world mm-hmm. It's just no place for nfps. Which I think is a great transition. In the workplace, you say? Yeah, that's yes. I think you worked at a Korean company. In the US before. Yeah. So yeah, why don't you tell us about that? Because I think a lot of Koreans might be interested in that too. Yeah, I won't say the name because it's a very big company You already doxed them in your podcast We're a small podcast We're a neighborhood podcast. You know Korean American podcast is much bigger than Honey Jam. Yeah, but We so yeah, I worked it was my first job right out of college Mm hmm I like applied to be an intern there just because like I love Korean entertainment. So I was like, oh, I want to be an intern and like work at these, you know, concerts and whatever. And so naturally I went into the marketing side and then gradually became like full time employee. But it was a very interesting experience because it's like a Korean company. And it's like a very big name in Korea, but then, you know, it's in America, and in America, this company is like nothing. But they still have like the very Korean, you know, what do you say, like, traditions, I guess? Like, so we called everyone NIM. Like, you know, David NIM, Daniel NIM, Jun NIM. Yeah. Even though, like, you know, Even my boss would call me Janice Neem. Well, actually she wouldn't, but you know, that was kind of like the form. Hierarchy. They did it so that you could feel like everyone's on the same like playing field. I mean, but everyone knew like, you know, even it's just all for show because they say like, Oh yeah, you want, we want everyone to feel like equal and everything. But then the CEO is like freaking crazy. And like everyone's scared of him. And so yeah, there was, it was like a very eye opening experience for me, especially coming out of college. Yeah a lot of crazy things happened in the office. And it felt like I was in Korea. Yeah, because it's a, you know, everyone's Korean. I mean actually there were non korean employees there too, and we talked about this on the podcast, on my podcast, but it's funny because even like the non koreans would kind of act Korean. And they'd be like, oh, like Janice nim! Janice nim! It's just, yeah. In like the whitest voice possible. But actually a lot of them knew how to speak Korean too. Which was very interesting. Like they kind of like self learned. What are one of your craziest stories? Craziest stories? Okay well like for example, There was a lot of, you know, like in Korea, I think and correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like there's a lot of shady things that happen within Korean, like just companies, you know, a lot of like you know, adultery. Sometimes I can't like think of the American English terms for certain things, even though I'm not like. It's so funny, the first thing that she said is Even like earlier, I was trying to think of the English word for which is uh, See, I can't, yeah, menopause, things like that. I'm like, okay, maybe I'm a little bit more Korean. So, you know, that kind of Happened within our company, too. There were like rumors about like the finance person, finance head, like making up with the HR head in the parking lot literally one, one person, not on my team, this guy's like high up, right? Like, I don't know. He's like director or something like that of a team. He, he was gone one day. I was like, Oh, what happened to him? Turns out he was watching like heavy porn in the office. Oh, wow. Like twice. He got caught for it twice and they finally let him go. Why? What? I don't know and he also had a family. Yes, buying bags. Oh, yeah, that's not true. I we don't know yet. You don't know for sure But there was a rumor that somebody was also using like the company card to like buy Like bags and like trips and stuff like using the company car for like for another married woman. Yeah married man doing it Oh, I'm a woman with a company card. It's crazy. I'm like, dude That's important details here. Yeah, because if you're just saying like, oh using the company credit card for personal reasons Yeah, but it's no buying a bag for a mistress at the company's that's different a lot of weird stuff like that And I'm just like, you know, like 21 years old hearing about these stories Yeah, you should talk about how you were pushed out. Oh, yeah, it's the best story So basically this this story So me and my boss, we were really close. And she was like 30 years old, you know, I was 21. She kind of like treated me like her dongsaeng and like, you know, as an intern, you don't really do much. So we w we would just like, you know, grab a room and just like drink coffee and like chat for like an hour and then just work for like 30 minutes and just like catch up on life and stuff like that. And I really felt close to her. But she was Korean, Korean, Korean American, actually. She also went to like, College of American stuff like that. You're not an intern though. Oh, yeah at that time. Oh, you're converted Yeah, but I was under her the entire time and she really liked me because you know I was like very like suck suck in like that, you know, like, you know, very You know just obedient like a type of intern that like all anyone would like. Sorry, what's suck suck at earnest? That's the feeling I get. It's like one of those diligence very hard to translate. Diligent? Yeah, diligent like good attitude. Yeah. Yeah And like, you know, knows how to, Uh huh. Yeah. Like it's always one step ahead. Yeah. Anticipating needs. Oh, wow. You know this? Yeah. It's like basically what a mother in law would expect for their daughter in law. Yeah. My parents expect that from him. That's our dynamic. My parents are so chill. So anyways we were super close. And then one day, this was when I was like kind of dabbling in Twitter. And I used my Twitter as kind of like a like a personal diary, like journal. And I would just like upload stupid thoughts that just came onto my mind, right? And like no one was following me, so I just would upload whatever I wanted. And then one time like we were working and then our The bathroom in the office is kind of far away, and it's like really quiet, so like, you know when someone else is in there. And so I was like, oh, I have to go to the bathroom. I'm about to get up. My boss gets up first. I know she's going to the bathroom. And I was like, oh shoot, if she goes, then I can't go because I, you know, I don't want to, you know, disturb the peace. But then the thing is, like, when she goes to the bathroom, like, I know she's there for a while. I don't know, it's like personal time, you know, you take your phone, you get, you know, lose track of time. So that, so I was like, oh, that's kind of funny. I'm waiting for my boss to come back from the bathroom. I'm gonna put this on Twitter. So I posted on my Twitter saying like I really need to go to the bathroom. But my boss just went and so now what was that the wording? He said it's the loo. Yeah, it's like whenever I need to go to the loo, my boss gets up so I have to wait. Yeah, yeah, it was that because there was a character count. I posted it and I realized I posted it on the company. For how long? It was like immediately, like I knew, so I put it, I took it down immediately. Push notifications to you and people are going to find out. And then, okay, thankfully though, like the company. Like I said, it's very small in America, so it didn't have many followers, like, no one cares, like, very little engagement. And so I was like, oh my god, thank god, like, I hope, like, she didn't see it. Turns out I also had, like, it was linked to Facebook, so it was up on Facebook for a while. Yeah, and you forgot to delete it off Facebook. Immediately, I didn't delete it immediately. Yeah, my friend commented on it, and then she was like is this a mistake? And I was like, oh my god. So I deleted it maybe like 10 minutes later and then at that point my, my boss was still in the bathroom. My heart was just pounding cause I was like, I hope she didn't see it. She comes back the rest of the day. She just like ignores me. It's like cold. And I was like, Oh my God, she knows, she knows she's not saying anything, but she, I know she knows. And then like a week passes. She didn't say anything. And you know, like I said, we were meeting every single day for coffee, talking about like life together. She stopped meeting with me. Oh my god. And then after a week, she finally calls me at the end of the day. And she's like, sit down. And she's like, so I did see what you posted. And she was just like so offended. And she was like, I, you know, took care of you, and like, you know, I took you under my wing, and like, I just feel so betrayed because you just, you talk crap about me like that. Little crap. Nice. And so, I was like, I just bawled. I was just crying in front of her because I felt like it was kind of, You know, it's not about her. It's just funny. It's a funny thought. It wasn't, I wasn't talking crap about her. In fact, it was just making fun of myself for waiting when I could just go to the bathroom. But, you know, obviously it was a very big mistake. I shouldn't have done that. True, posting it to the company Twitter. Yeah, that is not a good look. And so, you know, I said, I'm so sorry. And she was like, you know, I don't even want to accept your apology. Like from here on out, you and I, we're a business relationship and I don't want to like, to be honest, she said, we were like from now on we're business. And I don't want to like, you know. Be that close anymore basically and so I was just so shocked and like if you know me I'm very I'm a people pleaser and I cannot handle knowing that someone doesn't like me. You said you're an enneagram nine, right? Yeah, that will kill you. Yeah, I just felt like so and I was trying to explain myself like, you know, that's I wasn't talking badly about you. That's not what I felt. So just misunderstood Yeah, and so anyways, that was it and then HR calls me in and she was like, yeah, we heard you did this Yeah, she reported to HR. Yeah, she reported to HR. That's and then the HR lady. That's not a Korean company thing I think it's more like an American company. Oh, let me let's finish the story HR was just like, oh, you know, like, you know how she is and she was very understanding of me actually It's like, you know, and I heard like it doesn't it didn't even do anything to the socials So you're fine. Just forget about it. And I was, you know, like young, I'm just crying in her office and everyone's like, it's okay. It's okay. She's a little harsh. Just forget about it. And then, so, you know, we spent, our relationship completely changed and I worked there for like two months and I just couldn't handle it because I just felt like it was just too big of a change. So, and I quit. Yeah, I quit without anything like in line. I went to Costa Rica with my family uh, had to figure out what I wanted to do with my life. I was 21 years old. So, you know. Had time to think about it, but that was definitely a traumatic time for me and obviously I can't blame anyone else except myself You know, that was my mistake. Yeah, but I think I also just kind of messed with the wrong person. Yeah It felt, it feels too much of a harsh reaction to that, to what you did. In fact, like I think you could have even reported the HR and said, Hey, I'm facing retaliation over something like this. And so you could have gotten your manager in trouble, but you're 21. You don't know that. And you're like, probably just scared and sad and confused. Also the HR in that company was just totally messed up. Like there was no HR basically, which I think is true of most companies, but I can imagine the Korean company in the U. S. has. Maybe even more Korean style Lee Char? Maybe, I don't know. I I, what's your take, Jim? I've heard crazy stories happening in the office, but isn't that true for American companies as well? No, I, no, no. The affairs, I don't think so. I don't think it's a, maybe it's because I work in tech. I like the, I heard of some affairs at Tech. Oh, it's sales. I sales. It happens a lot. Sales for sure. Yeah, because they're on the road, they're traveling. Yeah. Yeah. One of the biggest and like the funniest. Scandal that I heard in my workplace is that you know how they're like vending machines in Korean companies And they sell it for very cheap prices of like 200 won, 300 won. Oh like discounted, subsidized. Per like soda can. Okay. Okay. This person like Bought like hundreds of these cans. Oh my gosh, and then he went to like a Like To resell them. To resell them. Oh my god. That's a hustler. Today, side hustle. Isn't that crazy? Wow. Think about the money that he would have made. It's like, I don't know, like right? Yeah, yeah. But like he was doing that, he got fired. That's kind of crazy. I don't know. When I hear that story though, I feel It's hard for me to distinguish like the American side versus Korean side. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. But I think even the idea that, like, your manager would place sole favorites to you, that itself wouldn't necessarily be kosher in an American workplace. Because everyone else is thinking, Okay, everyone knows Korea in there, right? But for me, I'm thinking like, oh like that's favoritism. Yeah, that's not right. Yeah Like that's kind of interesting in and of itself yeah, I think then like that happens in american Workplaces, too. I don't think it would be so human instinct overtly obvious about it Yeah, my feeling like you have to be more neutral and impartial. Otherwise again, hr is gonna come get you Yeah and then but but yeah in response to that being so retaliatory Yeah, I don't look quite aggressive That I don't think is a Korean thing per se. That's just her personality. Yeah, super like, hey, you're in or you're out. Exactly. But yeah, I think, I don't know. Yeah, I wouldn't say that particularly is like a Korean workplace thing. Yeah, that's just my experience in a Korean workplace, I guess. No, more like the affairs and like all that type of scandal. It feels, like, Maybe Korean companies gossip more. I don't know. Yeah, lots of gossip. Lots of gossip. Yeah, oh and then like hwesheeks too. You have to tell us about that. So you had hwesheeks. Yeah, we had hwesheeks. It wasn't as like often as you know, Korean, Korean companies do here, but we had That was kind of crazy to me too, because you know, I grew up watching Korean dramas, and like, you only see Hyesik's in dramas. So to me, that was really exciting actually. I'm like, ooh, I'm living my Korean life, you know, fantasy. That was my dream movie here. I was like, I want to do Hyesik with my team. Yeah, and then you go out and everyone's like, oh my gosh, I don't want to do Hyesik. Like, why? We're using the company card to get really good food and like, alcohol. And so I really enjoyed them. One of The stories that we shared on our podcast, like Jess and I so actually my best friend and I, we worked at the company together. And so we were on different teams, but we were kind of like the fresh interns. And so, you know, being the intern, you have to kind of like be the entertainer in like the white chicks, like naturally, I mean, no one forced us to do anything or anything like that. It's just like kind of. There's an expectation though. No. Is there? I don't know. I didn't feel it. Okay. Like there was no pressure. Okay. It's also your guys' natural personality. Yes. To do that. I think like Jess and I, we like love lang, like love dancing, just kinda like fooling around and stuff. So we would go to the head shakes and just have a really good time and like, you know, sometimes they'd be like, okay, like sing a song. And we, there was one night where like we sang twinkle by TTS. It's like a old swish subunit. Yeah. It's the girls generation. Yeah. Like it's they call it the quote unquote unit. Yeah, certain members create like another group. Okay. Yeah, they break off And then so we were like, they call it TTS. I think so. Yeah, Korea is TTS. Oh Yeah, that's what it's called. And so we're like doing the dances and everyone loved it Crazy, you know, we're like, yeah, like, you know, we won everyone's favorite. We're like, you know at that point we're interns So we want to look good so we could be full time employees, you know, so we really gave it our all like You know, give it an epic performance and the next day I was like, oh, I'm going to go into the office and everyone's going to be like, Oh, you guys are great last night. Welcome to the company. With nothing. Everyone's just like back at work. Pretend like, I don't know if they're pretending or like they forgot because of the alcohol. No, but not one single Hyesik. And I'm like like what happened guys? Last night was so much fun, right? Anyone got to talk about it? Hmm. I definitely resonate with that. Oh, really? It's because it's like the persona thing. I think Yeah, we're persona like after persona like I I listened to your pod about this episode and like you told You told the audience that like your boss even said like Cuz you know, we're all saying like oh something mean And then I think one of Jessica, Jess's boss was like, Ah, Can I call you unnie? That is a very Korean thing. It's so cute though. And Jessica was like, And then the next day it's just like, Jessica unnie. That's the meme. It's like Uh, Unnie? Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty sure they, they did. Kind of feel more close to you and like they got to bond each other. Yeah a bit better Yeah, it's like now it's like your work persona. You don't want to like infiltrate your personal life. Yeah That's a very Korean company or Korean culture Americans would be all over that be like, you know, like let's watch it again. Yeah, when we doing it next time, right? Yeah, and I think in my Korean mind, I would feel like a bit less professional Bring in that basic back to my day Yeah, atmosphere. So did it carry over then not at work? How about the next issue? Was it? Were they expecting that of you and didn't talk about it then? Oh, for sure, for sure. So they stored it in some other hard drive. Different persona. Yeah, because they know that we have that in us now. And they're like, oh, they're like, Jess, your turn. Like, sing it like last time. You know, something like that. Yeah. And then the next day, it's just like, everyone forgot. Only in the noraebang you can call me unnie. Exactly. Well, I didn't know that. Yeah. So is it safe to say what happens at Hyeshig, stays at Hyeshig? I mean, you can, you can like gossip about it a little bit, but like you wouldn't like try to bring it back in and make it another thing in your day work life. Yeah. Yeah. How do you guys feel about that? Maybe David, like do you feel like you have different personas in life and you can only show a certain one in different contexts or is it just like you're you and that's who you are in all contexts? I think I'm me. Yeah. Yeah. What would you say? You're definitely American. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think that is an American thing. He's very true to himself. I don't want to say like Koreans are fake, but I feel like Koreans are better, like, kind of like shape shifting almost. Yeah. Even like with my parents, right? Sorry, I'm supposed to cut you off. No, no, no. Yeah, no, no. You just look at me. You start talking. You hear like one sentence and like, oh yeah. This is our dynamic. And you're fine, I'm fine with it, but I want to get rid of you. It only works because I let her take the spotlight. You know, she needs that. But I would say it did show up most when we got married and we moved in with her parents. We got married in SF. But then during COVID, yeah, where'd you get married? City Hall. Nice. Yeah, just it was just a paper wedding because our Actual ceremony was supposed to be two weeks later. Huh, and then everything shut down. But YSF, were you guys living there? Yes Oh, okay. We had to talk about that. Yeah. We had just moved up for like our first tech jobs or whatever. And then we came back cause we thought we were going to be back during COVID for a couple months and we ended up just staying. It's been five years now. With my parents. Yeah. Wait, are you are you based in the Bay area? For some reason I thought of SoCal, right? We were there for four months or something and then everything shut down. So we relocated back to LAC. All right. So yeah, yeah. So you're living with, Yeah, we're living with her parents, so. That's when I first realized, Okay, I'm really American. Either I'm American, or they're just weird. But you know, There's a thing, they say, Koreans who immigrated to America a long time ago, they're kind of like a snapshot of whatever culture was like back then. Exactly, yeah. So they're stuck like that and they're applying all these rules and expecting me to follow and not just follow but to know What all the rules are without ever having lived in that household. Yeah, and then they get annoyed at you for not knowing Exactly. Why do I have to tell this to you? Wait, Janice, when did your parents emigrate and David when did your parents? When I was three so when they were 29 I'm asking for a year. for a year, 1997. Birthday. Year plus three. 1996. 96, okay. 90. My mom probably like either late seventies or early eighties. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then my dad came later. Okay. Yeah. For reference, my parents immigrated 75. Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I can probably relate a lot more with maybe your parents mentality. Yeah, that's true. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so my mom's good at English and yeah, I mean, they were very. They had rules too in my house, but no weird cultural stuff. Yeah, one example. Yeah, best example that I give is In Janice's family, everyone has a designated spoon. So, when I first moved in, I was just like grabbing a spoon for a snack or something. Her mom scolded me. She was like, hey, you can't use that. That's Janice's dad's spoon. Here, you can take this green one. This one will be yours. Oh, they're different colors? Yeah. My dad's was golden. I'm like, how do you know whose spoon is what? Is it like labeled like a kid's spoon? So, her dad's was golden. Her mom's had like this White, pearly looking handle. Hers was red or There's red, blue, and green. So she just gave me the green one. From now on, this is yours. So just use this one. Is that a hygienic thing? That's not a typical thing. I think it's in traditional Korean culture when you get married you bring in certain stuff from your house, which is called like a Honsu Usually you bring like a like a very expensive Ibul, which is like silk and stuff like that And with that the dad brings in like silver And that's supposed to be like your Like just one? That's so weird to me. It should all match, right? Maybe for the, for the wedded couple. Yeah, yeah. Most of the time there's like too. In my household it was, we only had Oh, you only had Which was silver. But growing up you had an We, we still have an a . Only your dad eats from it. Not it, it's like kind of blurred now. But when I was growing up, there was strictly an ara. Yeah. And you can't eat out of it. I had never heard this. This is weird to me.. Yeah. So when they first said that to me, or when she first said that to me, I was looking around like, wait, it, it's a joke, right? Yeah. But she was being completely serious. So. I kind of had to do that for a while. Yeah. And then there would be certain times where her dad is not as much of a stickler about it. Wait, sorry. I'm not ready to move on yet. Is it like a hygienic thing?, is it a, is it a status hierarchy thing? It's a hierarchy thing, yeah. Okay. So he has the golden, you are the leader of the family. Kind of yeah's, like spoon. Yeah. This, it's like a spoon. Yeah. Symbolism golden. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay, we can move on. So there'll be times where, you know, we're setting the table for, for dinner or we're eating and then they come from somewhere. So then we also set their table later. And there'll be times where I'm using the spoon and I'm like, Oh shoot. And there, like, her dad would make eye contact with me, and then, yeah, but eventually he just told me, like, just use whatever, yeah, but I think That was after, there was a point when I stopped trying to, you know, act like I'm Korean, and fit under their rules. It's just more like, this is who I am, I'll follow the rules in terms of, I don't know the things that are that they think are considerate but for the traditions and stuff. I'm just I'm sorry Another example, yeah, can I share it? Yeah, go ahead. Is like we live under the same roof. I get it but like, you know When you go to sleep or when you wake up, you have to go and za, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing is like, I'm surprised your take on this 'cause I did that too, but yeah. Oh, you did? Okay. But I feel like modern Koreans are like, that's so old fashioned. Oh, you go inza? Well, like for example, any before you go to, before you go to bed. Yeah. I don think that happens in Korea anymore. Oh really? I grew up doing that. Like even if it's your in-laws and you're living in the same roof. I don't think it'll happen these days. Oh, that's interesting. I have another example. If you come home, the first thing you do is tell your parents, right? You have to go like, Oh, I'm home. For sure. I don't think that's true anymore in modern Korea. I mean, maybe apartments are small enough, but you have to very intentionally be like, Oh, I'm home, or I'm leaving. The first thing I do is I go tell my parents. I don't think that's true anymore. Common anymore. It's so interesting' cause in my mind that sounds saying modern Koreans don't even, that's the number one thing on this podcast. I, I can't attest to that because I've never lived with my parents as an adult. Oh, okay. It was like before I was not an adult, so it was just natural that I tell them where I go when I come back, but I don't know if they do that as an adult. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But anyway, I think one of my, one of the like reasons I wanted to document this podcast. Is like Korea today feels so different than the Korea I expected. Yeah, so things like that. But anyway, yeah. Yeah So like, I'll be like, cause for me, I grew up, I have to do that, like no matter what, to any adult. And that's just manners for me. And so every night, I'll, like, even for me, if I'm just like, goodnight, mom and dad, I say that. I don't say, goodnight, mom and dad. I say, goodnight, that's it. That's, the fact that I just acknowledge them, I think, is it. But then David, like, you know, we're upstairs. I'm like, David, let's go downstairs and say goodnight. And he's like, in his boxers, he's like, dude, I have to put my pants on and like go downstairs. Like, do I have to go say goodnight? I'm seeing him tomorrow. Good mornings! You said you just yell it. But you don't. She wants us to go down. They live in the valley, so north LA. There's a lot more space. So their house is pretty big. For me, it's, if we're in the same area and we're going to sleep, of course I will acknowledge them, say goodnight. Same thing in the morning. If I see them, then I'll acknowledge. But then, to go all the way down there to make eye contact, you know? Yeah. Good night. Then go back up, it's just like, ah. But my parents did address it one time. They were like, hey, how come David doesn't like, eat this up to us before going to sleep? I like how you're talking with your teeth clenched. Very much channeling your parents. That also in itself, I was like, there's so much pressure as like, being the middle person. But because my parents said that I had to tell Dave like David's like come downstairs with me to say good night And he's like, no, I'm not going to. Oh, you took a stand. For sure. At a certain point. And I think that's where his like American ness comes out and like in the beginning it really took time to adjust like my parents would Be like, is he just rude? And David's just like I'm not gonna do that just to do that. You know, like I'm me That's not my culture upbringing. It's not rude for me. Yeah And so now after living with them for four years, my parents like 100 percent like understand David and David like 100 percent understand my parents and, you know, he has to do certain things that he doesn't want to and like my parents will have to understand certain things too. Just living together, it just has to be that way. Yeah. But more than the night time, the morning was worse because we were working remote. So we're just in our offices, but they expected us, like, right when they wake up to go out, face them, and, you know, acknowledge, maybe spend some time eating breakfast. So I'm like, dude, I'm working. I'm sorry. For that one, I feel like at least my parents would have been more understanding. Because for me, in my house, if you're working, like That's it. Yeah, right. And so at least I think my parents would have been okay with that. But yeah, I could understand It's just like sometimes I feel if my wife because my wife is actually more like you her parents immigrated much later And her parents are anyway, they had her younger. So they're younger overall But sometimes when my wife's in front of my family, I'm like getting really nervous. Like oh, she didn't do that thing I want her to do. Yeah, or she's being too forward or she shouldn't have said that. It's like, oh, I don't know Wow, that's so interesting. Because I relate with you on that a lot. Some of the like gender and roles are flipped, right? But the relationship with like when your parents immigrated, the expectations, it's all kind of there. For sure, yeah. Another big one actually is her dad especially doesn't understand me. He always calls me, he always says like, Ah, Which is like, you're strange. Oh, he says that? He says that a lot. No, no, he actually bored his hole. Oh, but no, that just sounded like a Yeah, he always says, Ah, He always says like that. He literally says you're so strange. Does he call you No, he calls, they call him David? No, they call me adu. Oh yeah, they call him adu, bro. That means a lot. Yeah. I don't like it actually because it's like ADU for a lot of the responsibilities, but none of the perks. Oh, none of the perks. Yeah. That's a good way to say it. Yeah. But her dad, for example, I like cooking. Yeah. He doesn't know how to cook and he kind of grew up where the woman does all the cooking. Yeah. Yeah. So even starting from that, like I like, I really like food, coffee. That kind of stuff and I don't drink that much and so everything I did was it didn't make sense So he just didn't understand yeah one time one time my guy friend came over the one who lives in korea And then we just kept yeah best friends We were just catching up over some beers and then her, her dad was like going to sleep and I was like, Dang, these guys are still talking. Are they gay? I was like, dude, I'm married to your daughter, first of all. And second of all, no, we're just talking. We're just, we're just catching up. It's so funny. It was crazy. Yeah. I mean, to my dad, it was like, why are these two guys talking for like four hours? What do they talk about? And actually you guys weren't drinking at the time over alcohol. That's why my dad was even more confused. He's like, how are they just, Chatting with over tea for four hours. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, so he'd be like, oh so strange. Yeah Yeah, so big adjustment I feel like you're living the typical korean like daughter in law exactly because you have to conform to that family so awkward and uncomfortable So for all our married friends, it's just me and the wives talking about our defaults. Yeah, commiserating over it. Exactly. Yeah, because they call it shi wor do, right? Like living in the in laws world, and it's usually the daughters, but it's, it's, let's David's in the shi wor do. Yeah. I think it's pretty abnormal that the, the husband lives with the wives parents, right? Because you know, like the, there's like this very, very famous 90s Korean sitcom called Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Where? Where the husband lives with a wise family and that itself is kind like it's part of the situation. Yeah. Like a funness of the entire sitcom. Mm-hmm . Alright. Sorry, this is random question. Mm-hmm . Are you also a Chong to follow his last name? Yeah, I'm usually Hashi. Oh, Janice Hall. Oh yeah. My Korean is Hathi one. That's like super classic, right? Oh, she's a famous actress. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Old actress. Yeah. Now I'm John. In Korea, they don't take the husband's last name, right? No. We've talked about that. So actually, I don't really care about that that much, but specifically for her because she was so attached to her family. It was symbolic. Yeah, it was, it was big sacrifice, giving up your name. Yeah. Yeah. Cause everything we would talk about when we were dating and engaged, it was just, Oh, my, my parents are like, my dad wouldn't do it this way. And so it was just a symbol of starting our own family, even though we live with her parents. I'm sad. I really liked my last name. I brought that up as an example of like, Oh, Korea's so progressive. Like, women don't take on their husband's names. But then Jun shut me down. Wait, why? It's because you're never part of the family. Oh! Oh, that's, ouch. And then all our Korean commenters agreed. Really? Oh my god, that's so interesting. No, but then I think a lot of the women were like, Oh, it's fine. It's such a shame for my parents and my dad. It's like, oh giving up their name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I see. Anyway, somewhere in somewhere in between. Yeah, I was just like I thought it was funny The wife doesn't take the husband's last name. What about the kids? Usually the father's name. Oh, yeah. I see. Okay It's messed up. Only the mom is like the lone Yeah, other last name. Yeah, see but have you seen like the trend in the u. s. It's like you concatenate the names Yeah, how long could this go on the names are gonna get super long. It's not practical. That's true. Just a bunch of Koreans It's like Start repeating All right So I I know that you guys were here for three and a half months now and then you're leaving next Wednesday, right? So like what so it's been a while. It's like it's more than just a visit, right? Yeah for compared to like your summer visits before so what brought you here this time and why did you stay for so long? So When kovat first happened we actually came for three months just to To do remote work. It was amazing because it was the first time we experienced that So we were here for three months that time this time. Sorry. This was like 2021 Yes. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Yeah Then this time we came for ivf actually so yeah, we've been trying to have kids for four years And did some fertility treatment in america, but we want to come here because ivf is way cheaper yeah, and we're I think technically we're not the best fit for ivf because of our Here Struggles with we have like a low egg count. So I think with IVF, it's not the best chances anyway So we just figured like we'll come spend some time with grandparents and then do the fertility treatment and we could work remote So originally it was actually gonna be two months But we did a cycle of egg retrievals and then didn't get as many as we had hoped so the doctor just Recommended to extend and try one more time. Yeah, so that's where we're at So we have a couple two embryos and we're coming back in two months for two more months to Implant and try. Yeah, so so you'll come on the pod again in two months, right? If you'll have us, if you're not way too big for us by then, absolutely Or maybe we can go in your pod Oh yeah, that'd be great Yeah Awesome. How did you get to know about like the doctors that you're going to meet or is there like a famous doctor amongst the Korean American doctors? Oh, I don't know about Korean American, but I just know like Cha Byung won in Korea is like a very famous hospital It's actually the hospital I was born in But their fertility clinic is very well known. And then within that clinic, there is like one doctor that's like very popular And so my mom like set up an appointment and the appointment was like two months before We had to yeah, yeah way ahead. And so Yeah, we've been going there. It's been a really good experience overall Is there like a YouTube content creator that helped guide you through this? So I like, oh, sorry, I keep cutting you off. The only reason I'm asking is you know, it's very popular in Korea for men to do hair transplant. Oh, and there's like a very famous Korean guy. He's, his YouTube channel is Hairliciously. Korean American? Yeah, he became like super popular. Super famous influencer and all these people follow like the hairaliciously they go to his clinic and he documented the whole thing so well So I'm just wondering if there's an equivalent for IVF in Korea And if not, you guys could be it but yeah No so I like looked it up right like while we're in America cuz I was like I don't want to pay 20, 000 for one cycle of IVF. Oh, it's so expensive Yeah, and so I was like there has to be another option in Korea and I looked it up on YouTube on my shorts on Tik Tok, I don't actually look on Tik Tok, but there's nothing on YouTube like nobody So I was like, dude This is my chance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I actually filmed a lot while I was at the hospital. I'm gonna try to make some reels. Maybe hopefully it'll pop off. Yeah. But I feel like it's so well done. It's, you just go, you show up and they have a whole system. It's so easy. So it would be helpful. I think if, especially for people who don't speak Korean, like you have like a source. I was gonna say it's easy for you because you speak Korean very natively. It's not easy. Yeah, I can. I would be like, Yeah. It would be a complete blocker for me to even think about trying because of my Korean language. They say they're foreigner friendly too, but Yeah, they say it, but then no one speaks English there. How funny how that works in Korea. Well, like, you know, a lot of foreigners have been coming for like beauty stuff and medi tourism here is crazy, it's popping off. So I know like, you know, when you go to the cosmetics, you know, You know, side. There's, oh, there are English speaking hospitals. But here, nobody spoke English and like, medical terms too, it's like a whole new thing. Even for me, it was a struggle. A lot of things, like Yeah, even for Korean Koreans. Yeah, even like I learned a lot of terms. Like, is something that I never used in like my daily thing, and we both learned it. It's basically like, pay. Yeah, you're paying things like that. Wait, means payment? Only in a hospital context. I don't know why. It's not a Han or it kean in general, but they don't use that word in a hospital. It's like more for, it's almost, it sounds like collecting of payments. No, kind of, because it has to do with the insurance thing. That's why. Oh, right, right, right. Like, yeah. Oh, is like collecting of documents, copay kind of. I guess that's true in English. In America, you'd always say, what's your copay? Yeah, thats the payment. Yes, that's true. I think it's like that. Okay. So that's why we came to Korea this time. Mm. Yeah, how's that? I mean you described a little bit, but how has it been maybe relative to expectations like what's been you know Anything interesting about the IVF experience here? I don't know about IVF, but when we first came here We felt like Koreans were meaner this time around compared to three years ago. We were wondering if it was COVID or we actually just came from Japan right before. Yeah. We were wondering, maybe it's just Japanese people are way super polite that we felt that way, but. Yeah, that was that was one of the things we noticed. Yeah, we came back. Dave's like, all right, i'm japanese now But I mean I said like koreans like they can come off a little rough around the edges But they have a lot of cheong, you know, like they have Well, even the koreans korean american people I I feel like korean americans have a very particular thing about Yeah. And every time I talk about it, I just. With my friends like oh my co host Daniel. He always talks about Chung and Han. They're like Doesn't exist anymore. What is Han? It's like anger, isn't it? It's like, you know better It's a sediment, it's an inside joke for our listeners. No, I think it's like unresolved Yeah. Of the past wrongs. Yeah. I do think it drives a lot in modern society but I think modern Koreans don't like to think about it. It's like, Oh, let the past be the past. Like, don't hold onto that and blame that. Everything on that. Do you really think that Korean people have that? I think so. Yeah, like towards each other. Yeah. Old people they do. Wow, Jun, what I would say too is like, and I do Do you see how quickly we can like be friends and close? I know I feel that way too Uh, Not, not to this. Not to each other, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? They'll still have like this like, oh, like kind of screening phase. I think this might not be right, but Jun, correct me if, like, I want to hear your thoughts after. I think Jang in modern Korea is mostly associated with, you know, Oh, like you owe me something because we know each other like I did this for you Now you have to do something for me or like honestly the way your manager acted was like, oh, I thought we were tight Yeah, that's like Jung. Yeah, but now that you did that to me like it's over. There's no Jung And so I think Korean American Jung's not like that. It's like there's no expectation of something in return It's like hey, we're this like we have a familiarity with each other just because we're both korean american, right? We're korean in the u. s And so we feel this closest. I would i'm already thinking of all the things I can do for you guys Just by virtue. We just met right but I still want to do that for you In modern korea that doesn't exist and it's almost like well Don't do anything for me because I don't want to do anything back for you It has to do a lot with how competitive the society has become. Oh, yeah, it's like you're not you're not allies anymore Like you're competitors. So why would you like? Do a good deed for you without like having something in return. It's always strings attached. Yeah. But is that right, Jun? Like, do you feel like most people in Korea, modern Korea, associate Jung with that negative stuff? Like, oh, I have to do that now because they did this, or, I don't know, we were in the army together, so I have to be able to do this for them. That, there is that sentiment, but we don't associate that with the concept of Jung. It's not, it's just a thing that you have to, yeah. Wow, I didn't know. I thought that was Jung, nevermind. I didn't know that Jung was not a thing anymore. Yeah, that was fun. All Korean Americans are shots. Yeah. I think in that way too, maybe we're kind of like in our own little time capsule too. Like where we get these ideas from like our parents or like our grandparents. But I have no idea what like the modern Korean Yeah, I just think it's overly branded almost like there is like a sense of friend friendliness and friendship in Korea but I don't think it's any different from Anyone. Wait, say that again Jun? Like you feel with a random Korean stranger now What do you feel at all as far as closeness? Zero. Zero. So there's no jeong. Yeah, jeong eopseo. Jung is not something that you feel particularly to a stranger though. Wait, but I want to hear your understanding of Jung in like a Korean American context. Go ahead. You know, I thought now that you say it, I do feel like it is over branded a little bit. Maybe it's for me. It's just like a feeling. I don't know. You just described that feeling because I'm curious what your takes on. I think for her, it's kind of like how she looks. She romanticizes Paris. It's like that kind of similar vibe with the motherland. Yeah, she just. Comes home and has fun. She sees ajummas. Yeah, you know people. Strangers. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. What is that for you too? I mean, I don't feel that. You don't have cheong? You don't think Koreans have cheong? Yeah. So maybe like if you meet a random Korean American in the US, you don't feel like a willingness to do something for them outside of the, you know, closeness in the relationship. Oh, well, that's at least how I think about yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean for sure there is that yeah I thought you were asking more what I thought about koreans. Oh Non existent, yeah, so here's my korean american backup Three to one Well, I mean you you you know because you're korean yeah, like no other korean koreans too Maybe it's because i'm a like modern day koreans are A bit bitter about the current circumstances of what society is like. So it's like, Oh, there's no tongue anymore. Like, don't even talk about it kind of, but I do. Thing I still stand by my point that it's kind of overly branded. It's like that's true. We don't find it a little differently, right? Like if you have like Latino friends, yeah, don't you think that they have tongue? Yeah for each other or like for like humanity in general. No. Oh Well, David always says he thinks Mexican or Latino. Yeah Koreans share a lot of similarities older school Koreans I think yeah, I have a lot with that Mexican family. Yeah, exactly like We're all in it together, look out for each other. Yeah. That's kind of like Cheong, isn't it? I agree. I agree. Yeah, there's none of that in Korea. Wow. I literally feel like white people have more Cheong than modern people in Korea. Is it not like small talking about elevator and like Common courtesy, just helping out, doing what's right. I guess for me, that seems more fake. And like, Koreans, even though, Yeah, you might not extend that to a stranger, Once you're in the circle, it's tight. You have that jeong for each other. I guess for me, the jeong definition is more for like, Not like one and strangers, but like people who are in your circle. Mm-hmm . It's true. Yeah. But there's no one in your circle here though. My grandparents. Yeah. Oh, that too. I thought you were talking about just like, like friends. Yeah. Or the most common example is, you know, waitresses. Oh, oh, oh. Or you always said that. Oh, there's so much. That's true. That's true. That's a stranger. Yeah, you're right. There's jeong there, right? Yeah. I would always say like in Busan, you know, maybe you feel a little bit more, you do like that homeness warmth. Yeah, the warmth. What? I can see Jun's Korean mind like, Korean Americans are so Wait, but you know, I have a question. Do you think Koreans would get offended if you say like, Oh, yeah, Koreans have no jeong anymore? It's a common thing. They agree. It's pretty ubiquitously understood. That's shocking. I assure you, they'll be like, Yeah, yeah, we don't have We don't jeong. What is jeong anyways? What about like pride? Because I know Korean people have a lot of pride for their country, right? Like, isn't that kind of related to jeong? Cause like people are like, Oh, you know, you know, our country, like our people, we do this, we do that. Like we, you know. Oh, they take pride in Jeong. Yeah. Okay, that I could see. They do? I think, modern day Korea, they, they take Take pride in like economic status and like, yeah, prosperity and stuff like that. They'll date all their friends for their competition. It's more of like arrogance than pride, I think. Wow. Yeah. I'm shocked. Yeah, cockiness almost. It makes me kind of sad. Korea's become uh, yeah, I agree. I think it's become a very isolated society. Yeah. And you see that reflected in a lot of statistics. Um, Yeah, because the The core thing is Korea is so competitive from a young age, right? Like even in class you're ranked one to whatever. It's all about where you're ranking, you know? And who's gonna go into what college because it is zero sum. If I get into that college, that means someone else cannot. Extends to the workforce, right? Extends to money, extends to housing lottery. Yeah, like you have to get lucky to get the house and you're competing against everyone else in the lottery. It just extends, til death and I think it's yeah, it's really sad. Yeah, I learned on this trip that there there is a ranking system in work, too Oh, yeah, of course, that's crazy. Yeah, I've never heard of that before. Yeah, everything's just here I think it's more because it's come it's because it's combined with the competitive Competitiveness and then fairness. Is that what fairness and then the fact that we're all Very similar. So then you have to have certain tiers. I see. Every time I like scroll down my Instagram feed, I don't know why it's maybe it's because I resonate more to this, but like there's tiers for everything. Like, let's say like tiers for like watches and I was saying Omega, like Rolex or whatever, like tiers for like jobs, like these are the tiers for like luxury brands or whatever. And like I think Korean people are really into like tiers, even like they're like literally they're non existent, but they like force make tiers. Yeah, to classify you into certain categories to see if I'm at certain tiers and I want to go up. Yeah. What's like the perception of Koreans of old people? Cuz I before we came actually we heard of some cafes not allowing certain ages like elders Oh, yeah elders. I wonder if that's bigger news in the international media than it is in Korea like June Did you see that as a bit big headline and like controversial? Yeah, I, I think the older generation grew up in a very, it's, it's just because of the pace of the economic growth of Korea, the circumstances of their lives and living. It was so different compared to the older generation and now, and for the older generation, it was just all about hustling, right? Trying to make it. And so it's like. It's less about like, sometimes I feel it too, they're, they're not aware of their surroundings. And like, even like in the subway, you see old people just like, they don't care about what the line is. And my immediate reaction, of course, is like, I'm like annoyed at first, but then I try to understand. Cause like, like that kind of social order wasn't really important. And it was just like you trying to like make it. And like survive basically, so I think there's like a very different mentality. But because of this is there's always this like misunderstanding of like old people are so annoying. Yeah And on top of that there's this like political stance divide where like the old people are very conservative and like young people and now it's like the younger people are conservative and like the middle 30s to 40s are more liberal. So there's like all, all like these stereotypes and stigmas towards old people. So there is this like traditional like, we have to like be good to the elderly, but it's like, Less so than before, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, I would say also if you imagine, I'll use social security as an example, right? You're always paying for the older generations because you expect when you're old too, you'll get that from the younger generation, right? Yeah, but imagine being that generation of Korean that's old now. They did everything for their parents and grandparents. They lived together, sacrificed, gave them money, took care of them. Yeah, and now they see the younger generation not giving, Two shits about their life right cut that out, but they don't care about them and it's like wait Wait, this is a raw deal. Like imagine that you guys are still a little young but imagine paying into Social Security Your whole life and then you're 65 you retire and it gets cut off. That ain't right Something something's gonna give there and I think that I can at least empathize and understand and actually social security is a good example Right because it literally is like their social safety net was supposed to be their kids. Yeah, but it's not true anymore, right? I think a lot of modern day Koreans maybe our age. They're so annoyed They're like, why do I have this burden like they don't really take care or maybe Think about their parents as much as they did for theirs. So anyway, that's just like how I think about it. It's like quite sad to be in that generation in korea right now And I think the mannerism in which how you socialize is very different Like for instance old people they meet in subways and they just do small talk which is very foreign in modern day korea And like how you know how like cab drivers they do I tend to like talk to you a lot and I think that's like very old school Korean way of socializing whereas like in Modern day Korea that doesn't exist and that almost like comes off as like very like annoying and stuff like that Even even my parents, right? Sometimes when I like visit Japan It's like this is these are types of things that I never understand about my parents generation He's like my friend lives in Tokyo. Why don't you meet him? But like that kind of social interaction it's like very non existent right now and yeah, it creates a lot of misunderstandings, I guess. Yeah Yeah, I've had my fair share of Bad encounters with old guys on the subways. He's so angry all the time in subways. I'm like, David, just understand, you know, they're old. You have to be the one to understand. He's like, no, if one more person pushes me, I'm pushing them back. I'm like, dude. Yeah. I've had bad interactions, dude. Yeah. Yeah, we had one where we were together. What happened? That was so mild, dude. That was a snub. I got so like, oh, this is horrible. Really? Yeah. Anyway. At one time we were talking in the subway, like so we're standing, right? And the person who was sitting, it was an ajumma in this case, right in front of us. And so we were talking in English, I guess. Yeah. And you know how like Korean people sometimes they don't like people? Mm hmm. Speaking in English. Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel that? Yeah. And so I think this lady felt that, right? Or like maybe we're a bit, a bit louder than your average Korean. We were quieter than your average American, but yeah, maybe a little louder than your average Korean. And then as she was leaving, like getting off, she was like, what did she say? Oh, she like brushes us into us. Yeah. It's like Oh, my ears are burning. Like, oh, I couldn't hear anything. Like, you guys are so loud. Yeah. Yeah. But see that's soonae maht. If I told you some of the real stories, it's bad. That's my worst nightmare. See like I hate, I don't want to be a nuisance to anybody, so like whenever we're in the subway, I always make sure like, do we talk quietly? That's the loudest person I know. Without a Korean subway. Sometimes I'm not aware. Sometimes I'm not aware. But a lot of times I try to, you know, cause we are visiting this country, you know, and like I don't want to stick out like a sore thumb. But I think the American thing of, like at least for me, I don't know, maybe I'm older, I've been living here, but I can like chammae it, I don't, it doesn't really bother me. Sometimes I get triggered, but I think the American psyche is just like, No, I'm not going to take that, like, who are you? I'm not going to, I'm going to stand up for myself, right? Even if you're older, I don't care. Yeah, in general, like, you gotta take care of yourself in America, otherwise you'll get run over by other people. Whereas I think in Korea, that's, you know, you have to chammae it in more. Okay. Wow, so fascinating. These conversations are so interesting to me. So, Yeah, cause uh, you guys are leaving pretty soon. Yeah. Um, What would be the number one thing that you're dreading or like very expecting to do first upon arrival to the States? Dreading or like looking forward? Looking forward to. Oh, looking forward to. In America? I got a whole list. Yeah, there's so many. Wait, let me guess. Mexican food. Of course. Of course. Of course. Good guess. For you? Hmm, I don't know. Catch up with friends over. Oh, yeah, for sure for sure friends. I miss my friends so much That's like one of the top reasons why I want to go home so badly. Mm hmm, but surprisingly like we love the public Transportation so good. We love it so much, but I feel like, especially where we live in the valley, everything's much bigger and like, you have to drive everywhere, you know, you can't walk, there's no way but I kind of miss that, I miss like the big space and like driving around but I'll definitely miss the public transportation, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. What will I miss? Public transport for sure, what else? Like, just the convenience of having, you know, convenience stores everywhere. Yeah. He kind of jumps right in. Yeah, walking, yeah, the walkability. Yeah, like she said, we don't have that in L. A. But things I'm looking forward to? Salty snacks. Oh, yeah! All the Korean snacks are so sweet. Oh, dude. Daniel puts it perfectly. Korean food is Too sweet and the desserts are not sweet enough. Ohhhhh Dude our first episode was about how much I hate Korean Doritos. There you go. Korean Doritos, Korean Cheetos. Tastes like cardboard. So bad. So bad. So yeah, salty snacks. The only thing salty in Korea is like the, the, the The toothpaste. It's getting better though you can find more American snacks. So I have access to like the commissary. So U. S. supermarkets on army basis. I heard that. So I'm not that desperate. Yeah. Yeah, they have the flaming hot. Yeah. Yeah, but actually Korean grocery stores too. They're carrying more and more saltier snacks Anyway There's some good flavors here though before you go you should try like Lay's truffle or or Lay's seaweed like the gim flavor It's legit. It's pretty good. Yeah, you won't find that in america. Yeah. Yeah, because he's a huge chip chip lover. Oh, yeah Yeah, try the gim flavor. They'll just be at any convenience Legit supermarket with more in stock. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Are there any Korean snacks that you like?? Yes. What is it called? Cobo Chip. Oh, Cobo Chip. The chocolate one. Chocolate one. The chocolate. They have a new flavor too. Caramel chip. Caramel popcorn. Is that good? I haven't tried. So good. You have the chur flavors, you try that. Oh yeah. Total. So I like that. And like cord B is, you know, it's a little classic as close to the salty as you'll get, you know, it has some spice. That's about it. I don't. Oh, benches. I like benches. Oh, benches so good. The benches so good. All the chocolate. The chocolate one. The thin one Oh pin too. I, I could easily kill that. Like in one city. You know our thing guys, take this back to the US and camping. It's aligned with that. Oh, we gotta get to that. Oh yeah, yeah. Okay. But it's literally tailor made for smores. So it's like already has the chocolate and graham cracker built in. Oh, that's true put a marshmallow and you have a s'more Oh, yeah, I never thought about that. I haven't seen it marketed this way, but it's brilliant We have mexican food for sure what we're looking forward to right? Yeah, if this becomes a real there's no good mexican food in korea anywhere Even yeah, we've tried all of them, right? Yeah, i've realized i've been here too long because i'm like, it's all right I would say at first i was like, oh, I hate it. Yeah You For every category of western food at least that we've tried and looked for It's enough to scratch the itch, but it's it's not there. Yeah I think I think the Best type of western food that you can find in korea are like the european like french or italian If you go to like the high end, I actually agree with that. Yeah, we've had good pasta. Yeah But yeah I miss burgers wings mexican food You Yeah, we haven't found it. You can find some decent burger and pizza, I think, now. Cause like, literally, they have the American brands now here, right? Oh, that's, that too, yeah. I think Brooklyn is decent, and then, for burgers, and then Jackson Pizza I like. Oh, I heard about that. We heard about it. It's like, pretty American style. Yeah. Salty. think the most American style pizza you can get is in Costco. You know, we actually really liked it because in America, they don't have combo anymore. I know, it's a travesty. They got rid of it. Bulgogi pizza has all the combo ingredients based on it. I loved it. It's only cheese and pepperoni in America now. Oh, really? They got rid of it during COVID. bulgogi bake. We got that. You got that. What did you think? So much better. So good. Yeah. I was, I was like, overrated. But yeah, really, it's just fun for the novelty, but I don't get it anymore. The first fight was the best, but then as you go it's a little bit heavy. Super. Yeah. is Costco. Yeah. PCO is a sweet, PCO is a sweet food. Yeah. Yeah. I love Costco. In Korea, it's very different. Yeah. Yeah. Little bit the, the pre-made meals. Mm-hmm . Have you, did you guys walk by that area? Uhhuh., yeah. That's it. There's so much where they have the fridge. Oh, yes, yes. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Do they have the shishik in American Costco? They do now. Oh, they do? What shishik? Like samples? Yeah, samples. Wait, you're saying they started having them in America? Maybe like last No, like because of COVID they shut it down. Oh, they brought it back. Yeah, they brought it back. I like Costco shishik because they're so generous. Oh, do you know about the Costco onion thing? No. Korean kimchi. Oh, yeah, yeah, you know, there was an era where like, you know how they have diced onions for the hot dogs, but for some reason korean people like You had a hack that and then like, like bring as much as onion as you want and put ketchup and mustard together, mix it up and eat it like a salsa type thing, but yeah, it's like a kimchi and it became a problem. So they took it away. Oh my God. Now they hand you the like one thing of onion. Oh, I saw that. I was surprised. I was so shocked when I saw my mom do it. You used to live in America. That's so funny because that's something only Koreans would do. Very, like, resourceful. So funny. It's like when Koreans eat pho in America. They always do that too with the sliced onions. Oh, like they put it all in. It's their kimchi. It's a side dish. I've never seen that, but you're right. I can imagine. It's really good. Anyway, side note though. It's good. Every time I go to Costco, I, you know, I always get the hot dog combo and the mustard in Korea, it looks like normal mustard. So I'm like not even thinking about it, put it on. Then my first bite, I'm like, what have I done? Because it's so, it's so sweet. It's like honey mustard. Oh, all the mustard in Korea are honey mustard. It is disgusting. Like that does not belong on my hot dog too. Yeah. And so I'm always like, every time, like come on. But it's like so on my mind and it looks like the right shade of yellow. Yeah. Tricks me anyway, small thing. We got got today, too. We got bagels. Yeah. The original cream cheese had a lot of sugar in it. It was crazy. Yeah. He's like, what is that? Oh, even the normal cream cheese. Yeah, it's a regular cream cheese. It's gross. I hate it. Have you tried the London Yes. CM bagel? We literally went there like four times since we had friends come visit. Everyone wants to try it. Yeah. I like it. It's good. That's good. I think it's like a just a different genre of bagels. Yeah, I feel like the bagel, yeah, they're not, it doesn't have the chew, which is so important in a bagel. Oh, really? I think it's too soft, right? Like, it doesn't crust as well. It's doughy. Too doughy. It is. Yeah, it is. But I think relative to other Korean bagels, it's more Western style. Yeah. But not quite fully there. I like it as its own genre. Me too. So that's the thing I've had to re acclimate my mind to. Like Paris Baguette or like whatever. I'm like, it's not a French pastry shop or bakery. Yeah. But Jun's always like, don't think of it that way. It's just his own genre of like french korean. Like just think of it that way. Yes And i'm like, oh I can enjoy it because i'm not comparing it to anything else. Yeah Whether it's korean pizza korean baked goods, whatever I always say because there are two streams of pastry in the world, which is like one is european and one is japanese Oh, I think it's a very different genre. Like you wouldn't find like Paris baguette style pastries and bread You In like some european or american bakery, right? So it's like like I used to go to chinatown to get when I was in boston to get like those type of asian Pastries, yeah, like the red beans and stuff like that. So I think it's just a different genre. Yeah, for sure except except mexican I don't think it's been prevalent enough to become its own genre. I think yeah, have you guys been to takaria stan? You It's not open anymore. I've heard about it. That was the best one that I've had. It, it, it was at one point in hum. Oh really? Yeah. It's like really a popup. Oh, it's closed now because they don't have it. That that was not bad. Yeah. It just goes to show like, it's not, the Korean people haven't The palate. Yeah, the pallet, it doesn't, didn't match yet. Yeah. No, but when Koreans come to America, they go crazy over a like Mexican food. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know why they don't, there's not more legit Mexican places here. Yeah. Yeah. I think they would like it. Yeah. Cool. I have a, wait, I have a question for you, Jin. So, you know, you guys can attest to this. In America, Korean food or like Korean fusion is blowing up. Like, they're putting kimchi on everything, right? Like, how do Koreans, I think, how do they feel about it? And do you think they'd enjoy that food? Or is it still, let's say, too salty? Cause the base is salty, right? But you're adding kimchi, you're adding gochujang, like, soy sauce, anything, right? Yeah. I think Korean people are generally, I mean, they would be proud about Like Korean culture. Yeah, like food and everything and Infiltrating to America. But do you think they would like it in terms of taste? So last time I went to SF. Yeah I forgot the name they have they're famous for like their kimchi burritos or whatever. Okay. Oh, I thought it was good Okay. Yeah, and I I know this is a general understanding of Koreans Korean food Not like the fusion ones the Korean food in America is better than the Korean food here It's just saltier, but you like that. I think yeah You don't you don't agree. People do say that but I don't agree Like be what's like specifically like bar beef, barbecue in the us. Okay. It's more affordable and I think it's better for sure. Yeah, that's true. That's better. Everything's better. Yeah. Like B, c, D is like your go to for Korean people when they visit this la Yeah. Yeah. I will say LA that's true. Has a lot, like all of the Korean restaurants in la most of them are really good. Yeah. But I still think the taste wise in Korea, like Korean restaurants are still better. I would say. One thing I noticed is the, the heim quality here is. It's way better. Oh, better. Way better. I liked a lot of places we went to. You don't think so? I feel like the Korean restaurants in America are more generous with their banchan, with the portions, the options, how much you get. That's true. It's not heechana when you ask for a refill. He eats a lot. I eat a lot, dude. And as I get older, all I want is banchan and like namul it's hard to find that in Korea and when you do, it's expensive. Dude, like the banchan gage is here, like, they're so expensive from what I'm thinking. Like, I'm not gonna pay. Anyway, I feel like in America, it's more accessible and affordable. That's true. You're welcome. Oh, yeah on the flip side. We'll talk about things. We'll miss right? So Uh, No tip.. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. Just, yeah, the level of quality for the price and stuff over here. Cabi my favorite term. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then the pork here, it's just so good. So good. Yeah. And affordable. It's different. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I forgot to say this. You guys call it Concho. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Chu. These are the countries of. Korea, it's like a strong recommendation. Oh. Mm-hmm . Is term, it's like term their thing in their podcast. K. Okay. Yeah, it's K? Yes. K. The same thing. K. K, yeah. You the Koreans use that term. K. Yeah. K. Okay. Yeah, I mean, definitely like the cost of living. Like I put this on my story yesterday, but we literally ate out breakfast. Coffee, lunch, dinner yesterday and grand total was 45 dollars 45 us dollars. I mean the dollar is very strong right now. It is. It is. Yeah, that would be one meal. That's insane Delivery free if you're getting delivered. Oh, we never get delivery That's why i'm always cooking at home because it's just way too expensive to deliver in the u. s You don't oh, yeah and in the u. s We're always cooking at home because delivery is way too expensive you go out. It's so expensive Like a hundred dollar like you close to a hundred dollars per meal So I'm definitely gonna miss that no tip. This is why we don't cook at home in Korea. Yeah It's just like it's literally cheaper to order and every time We like feel slight guilt over the plastic. Yeah waste But it's like, it's just so cheap and convenient. Yeah, for sure. I think, again, like for me, like the cleanliness of the city, and then, I mean, some parts, you know, it tastes like, it smells like sewer, but it's fine. Soul smell, I call it soul smell. He talks about it a lot, I don't, I don't really know what that means. Oh, is there a Korean term for Old man smell. Oh my gosh. We've been noticing that a lot this trip. Yeah, It's like literally translation. I don't think I know that smell. You don't know that smell? It's not tiger balm. It's what I heard. It comes from the ears. The ears? It's like the hormone thing, so they say that you should clean your ear very diligently. Because before, it's like, when I smell it, it reminds me of my grandparents. But at my grandparents house, it was very faint. Subtle smell. But here, I was just like, getting smacked in the face. That's so interesting, I have to look out for it. Definitely not going to miss that. Definitely not going to miss that. And then I'll miss the safety of everything. Yeah. Yeah, it's just so dangerous in America. It's scary So, I mean overall I personally like Korea better than America So there's gonna be a lot of things I'm gonna miss but America is home for us So that's why it's like I have to go back Well perfect transition. Would you ever consider living in Korea? Let's say for a season or even for long term and like what would that take for you guys? Yeah I think, yeah, for sure. What would that take? I think like jobs for sure, like my job would have, I, if I could find a job that's like more flexible in terms of time where I don't have to wake up at 2 a. m. to match like Pacific time, then I could see myself living in Korea, especially like raising kids and like, you know, there's so many friends who come and go, like visit Korea all the time, so I feel like we wouldn't feel so lonely. I'm sure there will be lonely seasons, but Even if it's a Korean company. I wouldn't want to work for a Korean company though, yeah? Yeah, I would too. I would love to actually because yeah, I want to get better at Korean and I just love learning more about food, food culture in Korea, too So I totally would. Depends on the job, of course, but yeah, if I could make money, yeah, if it made money Or made sense money wise then I would love to it'd be great if we could make US dollars US salary living in Korea That's the expatriate. Yeah what was I going to say? Doesn't Coupang do that? They do. They do. It used to be quite common but I think they now, it's only for very senior positions. Now it's much harder to get. We know someone there. Oof. Living the life. Yeah. Really good. I used to live, I used to work for Coupang. Oh, really? There's a, there's a But not on an expat package. Not on a, of course not, because I'm not an expat. But like, there's, internally, there's like this caste system. Oh, really? Korean Koreans are at the bottom. At the bottom, yeah. And then it's the Korean Americans, and then it's like the white, yeah. So the full Westerners. Wait, where did you fall? Because you know how to speak English really well. I would say like, still like, the best house in the bad neighborhood. Yeah, so so David you Oh June first like found out about you through your reels around Hydrating. Yeah, even before we met today Yeah, I already knew about you guys because I started your content came up on my feed and very famously He freeze dries Korean food or like other foods. Yeah, and then make it into like you said MRE yeah for like Hiking or like what's that marine meal ready meal ready to eat. Yeah, it's like an army food type of thing Yeah, it's so amazing. You just pour hot water. It becomes like comes back to life. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so I love backpacking and the food Options are very limited. It's You know, it's like stroganoff or mac chili mac that kind of thing and it's kind of good when you first have it But once you've gone it gets really old heavy heavy You Like really salty and just not good. Yeah. So I wanted to start taking my own food and then Basically, right when I was preparing for one of my trips, I got laid off. So I started just sharing videos about my preparation, cause I thought it was interesting, and then it kind of just caught on, and that became like my thing. So, people online, they started calling me dehydrated guy and stuff, which I don't love. You're the opposite of a hydrated homie. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, i'm just always experimenting and then i'm trying to launch i'm trying to bring it to the masses if i can yeah Yeah, so kimchi jjigae in backpacking meal form. Hmm. Hopefully next year. Hopefully hopefully That'll be cool actually next time we come I will I will have something oh you'll have samples. Yeah. Yeah, I should bring you guys Yeah, please Yeah. I can see a lot of potential possibilities with your thing. Like the branding could be like really interesting. Yeah. With like all the hype in Korean food and whatnot. Yeah. Exactly. It would be perfect. Okay, what do you guys think about the name? Wait, you want to reveal the name? They're a big podcast. Yeah, we have a name. Well, yeah, that's what I was kind of waiting on. Well, yeah, but then I wanted to wait till January. Wait, is this a worldwide reveal of your name? Hopefully I'll drop a reel. Let me know before you guys post this. I need to get my reel out too, announcing it. It's BAP PAC. Oh, pop Like backpack. It's like backpack pop Pop. And it's pop in a pack. Yeah. It's not just right. You know, pop is generally food. I like it. I like too. Pop pack pop. BAP pop. B-A-P-P-A ct. Yeah. I didn't wanna do BOP 'cause there's like, you know, pop, pop, pop, pop pack. Are there two peas or one p? Two peas. Two peas. Like two words. Pop. Pop, yeah. Oh, I like it. It's fixing Korean. Sticks, rice is sticky and stuff. So I'll bring some next time in two months when we're back. Very cool. I mean, it'll be in the American market first and then you know, cuz Korean is like a whole other thing Yeah, I'll see how it does. But that's his Big passion project these days. Yeah, actually if it wasn't for that, I would be happy staying here longer Yeah, it's just cuz I'm antsy to get home and start. Yeah, I really need to get back. Oh super excited. Yeah. He's just like Their grandma's recipe and dries it too. I saw like your, the dongchimi thing. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, my grandma's. That was amazing too. have you been hiking in Korea and how does it compare to? We only hiked in the beginning when it wasn't cold and It's like pros and cons because the mountains are much smaller, but the trails are so well kept with like, you know, the straw hatch thing that they have is amazing. Yeah, they really are. Yeah, and then there's like a restaurant thingy at the bottom. At the bottom. Yeah. Everything was great. It's a whole experience. Yes. Yeah. So my original plan was to come and, you know, make dehydrated food and take it up and cook it and stuff, but I didn't know you can't have stoves. In Korean mountains like a fire hazard. Yeah, can't you bring like your thermo? Yeah a thermos of just hot water Yeah, you could you could but it's sometimes like it's not enough. It's not hot enough. Yeah, it's a cookie yeah, but We did that once at a korean baseball game like snuck in ballroom like cup nami on the thermos Yeah, we don't have to sneak it in either. Oh, yeah, it's like it's fine. They're getting against it Yeah, you just like make cup nami on at your chair. It's all stuff. Yeah Anyway, so it has to be boiling like 100. It's better for most I think for the like kimchi jjigae It's fine because the stew will kind of turn into a powder But certain things like you know noodles or meat it's a little bit more it needs hotter water to rehydrate Yeah fully at least Yeah. Cool. How did the inn out dehydration, rehydration experiment go? Because you, yeah. You did it, but yeah, explain. I think if I did it again, I could do it and make it good. Yeah. Mm-hmm . But it was a complete fail.. . What did you do though? What happened? Because I ordered a de Inn Out Burger Uhhuh, and then I deconstructed it myself. But there's spread on the bun that got soaked in, and then cheese on the patties that got soaked in. So I would just get everything separate and then bring spread on the side myself, and I think it would actually turn out okay. Okay. Yeah, but it was all mixed together and then it just yeah, it didn't turn out good. Dude, you should do like a reverse thing where you bring like something Korean. And do the same thing. Oh yeah. London Museum. Oh, be good. Oh, London Museum.. Something very cranky. Yeah, that's the thing. It's so there's not much that's hard to get in the US now. There's H Marts everywhere. H smart. Yeah. Korean culture's so prevalent, especially in the cities now in the us What do you guys think about Korean? Gochugaru and myeolchi compared to America. Oh, I've never had American. I think that's a very like chef type question. Wait, is there an American gochugaru? Yeah, but her mom, actually, actually, I would say most Korean Americans, they swear by Korean gochugaru. Well, of course they will. Yeah. But do you think a blind taste test they could tell? No, I don't think so. It's just like a We should try it. Yeah. I really, we should try it. Well, it's, it's not like American gudo. It's more like Korean Imported. Yeah, imported. It's like a Korean pride thing. I think it's like, I'm gonna do like, but I, but I do think like AMAs or like BU in general are very particular with their guro. Yeah. And t yes, they get it from like their local Yeah. Those are the three things that her mom brings back in suitcases. Yeah. And I about Orca, but the Ang taste different. Yeah. From like I agree. A store bought like the, like the . Yeah. Versus like when you actually get a good one. Yeah. Oh, and Kim too actually. Kim actually I Kim here is really good. It is good. Oh, we should bring, 'cause they're like in cans right now, Kim. I've seen that they're can, no, I'm just, yeah, I have, I have some What's that term for, is it guksan or something? Guksan, yeah. I feel like that's maybe more of it. Yeah. It was like our, our product. Right, right. Anyway. Yeah. Okay, we're at two hours. What? Dang, that's the longest podcast I've ever recorded in my life. Yeah, sick. 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I saved the pod two times today. Wow. Wait, the first time was your Oh, technical, I guess I wouldn't put that on you. But we hit June press record, but it was bugging out. I'm literally gonna say the same thing so you guys have to pretend like you heard it for the first time. I'm very good at that. You're bad at it. June's so awkward the second time. So awkward. Okay, ready? Ready? how did we start last time? I'm already so bad at this. Second time it's always more natural though. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I think so. I'm the only one who was more We talked about you Okay, we started with the fact that you guys outnumbered. Oh, yeah. That's good. Wait, sorry. There was one thing I wanted to bring up. Whatever, it's okay, we can move on. I'm curious now what you're thinking. No, it'll come, we can move on. It'll come at night and I'm like, I could have sounded like a genius. But June still wouldn't have put in the reels.